In this episode Dave talks to Adam Frank. Adam is a regular contributor to NPR's All Things Considered where he weighs in on scientific issues with his expertise as an astrophysicist. He is also a writer. His latest book The Light of The Stars: Alien Worlds and the Fate of the Earth examines what role climate change must ultimately play in any technologically advanced extraterrestrial civilization. Frank argues that we should stop arguing about climate change, accept that it is just a part of being a successful industrial civilization and use the same intelligence that created it to adapt to and evolve past it. This wide ranging conversation covers a wide variety of topics as the host and guest engage in a lively exchange of ideas. Then Sheryl Hosler, YouTube's The Roving Naturalist takes to the trail to visit with folks out hiking to get their take on why being out of doors in a natural setting is important to them.