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Blue Dot: Animal intelligence with Lori Marino

Bottlenose Dolphin swimming near Kennedy Space Center.
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Bottlenose Dolphin swimming near Kennedy Space Center.

Host Dave Schlom is joined by neuroscientist and animal intelligence advocate Dr. Lori Marino, who was recently named the 2026 winner of the Frank Drake Award by the SETI Institute in Mountain View, California.

Marino was one of the first scientists to determine that bottlenose dolphins can recognize themselves in a mirror, a key test of cognitive awareness.

For her achievements in exploring animal intelligence, Marino won the Drake Award, named for radio astronomer Frank Drake, author of the famous Drake Equation that provides a framework for researching life and intelligence beyond Earth.

As a strong advocate for marine mammals and other animals, Marino guides us in a far-ranging discussion that delves into our human bias toward other creatures and how dolphins and whales have intelligence far more advanced than we previously thought! Recently, SETI scientists have been doing fascinating studies of whale communications as an analog for what it might be like to detect intelligence on other worlds.

Marino is the founder of the Whale Sanctuary Project and Executive Director of the Kimmela Center for Scholarship-based Animal Advocacy.

Dave Schlom is the longtime host and creator of Blue Dot. From surfing to Voyager in interstellar space, rock guitar to orcas in our imperiled oceans, the topics on Blue Dot are as varied as the host’s interests and connections -- which are pretty limitless! An internationally respected space history journalist, Dave is also deeply fascinated by all aspects of the grand workings of nature’s awesome machinery on scales ranging from galactic to subatomic. And topics take in all aspects of the arts and sciences.
Matt Fidler is a producer and sound designer with more than 15 years of experience producing nationally distributed public radio programs.